Photoshop CS4, Buy or Die

dekePod Episode 006: We’re barely three months into dekePod, and suddenly, the whole paradigm shifts. By which I mean, we are once again confronted by an upgrade. Five or six years ago, I would have written an 8-page Preview article for one of the trade magazines. Today, I’m trying something new: a real-time, lightning-fast, video-based demo and product review. Here’s the official marketing description:

September 23 marks the announcement of Adobe’s Creative Suite 4. And that means a new version of the company’s flagship image editor, Photoshop. Coming just 18 months after its predecessor, is Photoshop CS4 any good? Enter dekePod, Deke McClelland’s irreverent and uncensored video series. Day and date with Adobe’s announcement, Deke will provide a third-party, impartial, and highly opinionated review of the new software. Titled “Photoshop CS4: Buy or Die,” this episode promises to show you all facets of the program — complete with commentary — without interrupting your busy day. In just five minutes, youíll know whether you want to upgrade or not. Either you buy or it dies, it’s as simple as that.

If you’d like to download the video (you know, to share with the grandkids when computers and everything else we know have been rendered obsolete by electro-cosmetic bioplasmics), try one of these links:

  • For a high-quality QuickTime movie, right-click here and choose Save Target or Download Link or the equivalent.
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  • Or you can subscribe to dekePod via RSS or iTunes.

You can also check out the page at my book publisher O’Reilly Media.

Hungry for still more movies? Consult my Photoshop CS4 New Features series for, which currently includes just two movies. Both free, they explain the new tabbed-window interface and content-aware scaling.

Next entry:Back of My Head Gets Screen Debut in CS4 Launch Video

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  • Just great!

    in more than one way, just great as i have not long started getting into photoshop and stuff (CS3 wasnt cheap - nor were dekes books :-p), but know i will have to save up for CS4 and all the new books deke’s going to release!!!!

    Still looks like it will be worth it though :-p

    Hey deke how about big big big discounts for your loyal minions? :-D

    Wonder if i can edit the CS3 box to say CS4 in CS4 an sell it to some unsuspecting person!!!

  • CS4 Resources Everywhere


    Thanks for the teaser information. I can’t wait for more. In addition to your great DekePod, I put together a list of resources I’ve found regarding CS4:


    Head Camp Counselor
    Camp Photoshop

  • wow

    i really dig ur videos | pretty uber-cool | something akin to motion graphics | cs4 / dekepods on cs4 are the two eagerly stuff for me now


    जीव अनुरज श्वसिहि मदेन ~ live love breathe with passion

  • Thanks for the rundown! Best

    Thanks for the rundown! Best new features in a while. We can actually zoom properly in a photo editor? Amazing. Really, I can’t wait.

    Would you say that OpenGL support makes things more responsive in general?

  • And’s CS4U

    Good list, Roger. Also check out the CS4 University at with videos covering the new features of the different CS4 applications.

  • cs4


    Excellent job on the CSPS4 run down. Love how you combine humor with PS stuff. And what a great way to ponder about those new Curves adjustments….Salma. Very inspirational for users of that adjustment I’m sure. Think she lives in my neighborhood.


  • yikes

    Carpo don’t be a fraudster, editing the box geesh. If you do that Colleen might put a red check mark by your name and you’ll be in trouble. And you wouldn’t want that to happen. Or at least I wouldn’t.

    As for discounts…. In the past Adobe has offered upgrade pricing ($199). Or, if you’re a student (like in one of my PS classes) there are discounts available from Adobe or other vendors. 


  • ooooo kinky

    so you think she would teach me a lesson? ;-) - don’t think the course im doing is covered by their student discount, CS3 wasn’t :-( -  you would think it is as im doing an advanced photoshop course!! we shall have to see

  • Course of course


    Just depends where you’re taking the class. Colleges, community colleges, extension classes & adult school programs are eligible. If your class meets in a dim pub surrounded by rows of stools & beer mugs, probably not. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    Ask your instructor to look into it, that’s what I did (contacted a vendor). If the course isn’t currently eligible, maybe it can be. It’s something your instructor needs to setup with a vendor like the academicsuperstore.


  • Class

    every Monday night for about 10 weeks, so if CS doesn’t ship till Q1 for the rest of the world (Q4) for US, the course will have finished anyway, so i will have to pay full price, unless i can bribe the lecture to say i am on the course again and we do it that way :-) - or i borrow the money from my parents :-p

  • New Illustrator One-on-One book

    I know it’s coming out after the new year, but will it be written for CS3 or CS4?

    And Go Buffs!

  • Illustrator CS4 One-on-One

    So yeah, CS4. We always write with the most recent version in mind.

    That’ll come on the heals of the Photoshop, InDesign, and Channels and Masks books, all of which will be CS4 as well and all due out this year.

  • Yeah, OpenGL definitely

    Makes the navigation process more responsive across the board.

    A few notes: Not sure what it’s going to look like when it ships, but all the OpenGL stuff requires a compatible video card. Right now, you have to have OS X 10.4.11 or higher or Windows Vista (!). And it only works for the first four images you have open at a time. The fifth open image behaves like it does in CS3.

    So there are limitations. But if you can work around them, it’s great.

  • I was just checkin in to see if ...

    Well I was wondering if you thought I should drop my drachmas on this upgrade. And sure enough I find this new podcast supporting the upgrade.
    On the one hand I like that Adobe isn’t sitting on it’s hands. But every 18 months coming up with a way for me to hand over, OMG! now it’s $350.00. The last upgrade I think was $160.00.
    It’s like these guys work in the Financial Division of our government…
    BTW ... have you ever seen the Joe’s and Nancy’s working in our governments Financial sector and the Adobe’s peoples at the same time???? Maybe ...
    Well as an educator and guy who drank the Kool Aid back when I had hair, I suppose it’s to late for me to fall off the Kool Aid wagon and get left behind.
    But answer me this “Did they up the max Ram capabilities?” I could have bought this whole suite for what I put into Ram for my new MacPro, only to find out it didn’t matter, the people at Adobe can only count to 3 GB.
    Now I’m thinkin of coming up with “the Adobe” business plan. Where I create something people want, but purposely make it not function properly. Then over many versions start to introduce other things that don’t really work. Only to slowly fix stuff and charge people for what will be called “upgrades”.

    Do you think they would accept Drachmas? Sheckles?

  • I just pinged PM John Nack

    And he confirmed that Photoshop CS4 will cross the 3GB barrier, but for just one platform:

    Vista64 (that is, 64-bit Windows Vista)

    As for 64-bit on the Mac, that’ll be next time.

  • I am looking for some quick advice

    I am still learning Photoshop and it is going well as long as I do not shoot anythig in RAW format on my Nikon. Is there any way to get around this or do I need to learn about the Nikon software? I am just starting to get comfortable with Photoshop and I would hate to have to learn a new program already.
    Any suggestions?


  • You want to learn Camera Raw

    Camera Raw is the utility that lets you edit raw images from your digital camera, whether it be from Nikon, Canon, Olympus, whomever.

    Camera Raw is part of Photoshop.

    There are several books on the topic.

    If you’re looking for something from me, I include a long exercise on Camera Raw in my Adobe Photoshop One-on-One book.

    If you want something immediately, go to and sign up for the free 7-day pass. Then look for my Photoshop CS3 One-on-One series, which includes a full chapter (Chapter 24) on Camera Raw. To fill in the gaps, check out my complete Photoshop CS2 Mastering Camera Raw series. It’s a little long in the tooth, but it includes lots of valuable and pertinent info.

    Know this: The reason your raw images aren’t working so well is because you haven’t been properly introduced to Camera Raw. A few weeks from now, when you understand Camera Raw, you’ll never shoot another JPEG again.

  • But but but

    I thought Adobe appreciated Mac users?
    What a let down.

    I feel like a red headed step child, a rented donkey, a shmoe who spent $350.00 on an upgrade that is only partially an upgrade because I don’t inhabit the PC space.

    I am a Mac!

    Maybe if I cancel my order and tell them when I can get a program as good as PC users get,I will order it as an upgrade, that will send the message to the bean counters, WE ARE RELEVANT!

  • Deke, please read

    Sorry to bother you Deke, I can’t find a contact for you on your sites, I’m sure you would be overwhelmed.

    Would you please be kind enough to contact me (or staff) and let me assure you it would not be a waste of your time whatsoever.

    Thank you and regards,


  • Adobe is having difficulty jumping through Apple’s hoops

    Check out the third bullet item on this post from September 8.

  • What about 3D?

    Good morning,

    I love short & sweet, so here it is:

    I heard they were adding 3D layers, which includes the ability to export 3D files. What say you to this?

  • Good Stuff

    Great podcast, Deke!

  • apple hoops

    As I recall it has to do with the coding Mac vs PC systems are using. Sort of like some of the software that doesn’t play well with Vista 64.

    I was installing a CS3 suite and Vista wasn’t getting along with Acrobat and they were having some sort of a squabble during the install.  After a quick google there’s some patch needed. Instead I had a beer and things seemed to work themselves out.


  • ram & cool aid


    In the past PS upgrades were priced at $199. Not sure what the price is this time around. So I’m guessing $350 is for a suite upgrade.

    >>>Owners of Photoshop CS3, Photoshop CS2, or Photoshop CS can upgrade to Adobe Photoshop CS4 for $199.<<<<  The $350 price tag maybe to upgrade to CS4 extended.

    If you’re an educator seek out the mother ship - there are deals for students & instructors alike from Adobe. Click on the education pricing link or shop at a vendor like the

    As for your Adobe biz plan, that’s really not how Adobe works. As a newly minted beta tester I was surprised to see just how much research & thought goes into program development.


  • More Photoshop


    Excellent work on the new dekePod 6 on PS CS4 or should I say CS$. I’m glad you decided to come back to the Photoshop side. I’m a photographer, I can’t draw and will never use Adobe Illustrator. We photographers use a different side of the brain. We can even shoot movies now. Have you seen the new Canon 5D MarkII? That camera does amazing stuff. Hey, isn’t it almost time for a dekePod on making video.

    Keep up the good work,


  • 3D in Photoshop Extended

    As the author of the first book ever published on Photoshop Extended (shameless plug, sorry), I can tell you that Photoshop Extended stuff in CS4 is perhaps the biggest reason to upgrade. They’ve not only added features, but completely ripped out the entire PS CS3 Extended 3D engine (the same semi-cheesy one used in Acrobat 3D), and replaced it with something infinitely more powerful. Not only can you import 3D objects, my friend, but you can now paint directly on the surface of 3D objects. You can also hide and show different 3D objects on the same layer. You can add lights and cameras, and not only move them and adjust properties such as light type (spot, point, etc.) and color, but ANIMATE them as well. And yes, you can animate objects in 3D space now. In Photoshop. And yes, you can now export 3D objects in 3D formats.

    But it gets better. For those of you that have no 3D experience, you are no longer forced to learn a brutal new application. Photoshop CS4 Extended allows you to CREATE simple 3D objects from scratch. This includes pre-made primitives, such as spheres, pyramids, a soda can, a hat, and a few others. But it also allows you to use luminance values of a layer to create 3D objects. So, if you had a white square on a black surface, Photoshop can convert that to a 3D building (box). Feather the white edges on the map to create rounded 3D edges on the 3D object.

    Another one of my favorite 3D new features is that you can paint on multiple material channels! So, you can paint a bump map (even if the 3D object doesn’t have one - PS will create it for you), DIRECTLY ON THE OBJECT! Now, to be fair, this is NOT anything like zbrush or Mudbox. But it’s still dang cool. In addition to painting on the diffuse and bump materials, you can also directly paint reflectivity, self-illumination, and more. In a new 3D panel, you can also increase the amount of bump, reflectivity, etc. AND, you can change the type of render engine - including a RAYTRACE RENDERER!

    I’m missing a few features here, but you get the idea. I’m telling you - the rest of the Creative Suite (except Flash) may be suffering from a weaker than expected upgrade, but the new features in PS Extended are big. Like, Nell Carter big. BIG.

    Thanks for being the greatest Photoshop trainer of all time and sharing your genius with us, Deke!

    -Chad Perkins

  • I’ve been focusing exclsuively on

    the standard version of Photoshop CS4. Actually, I take that back. I did a video on the new things you can do with medical and scientific images in CS4 Extended. But that’s the extent of my experience so far.

    So I roped in my buddy and fellow trainer (not to mention one-time Total Training host, such a small world) Chad Perkins, who has been steeped in Photoshop 3D for months now.

    Below is his response. Thx, Chad!!

  • You can email me

    At That usually prevents it from getting snagged by the spam filters.

    I typically correspond better here on the site than by email, but you never know.

  • Chad chad chad

    After spending what seems like a lifetime taking your After Effects tutorials and getting lost more then a tourist’s first time in Hong Kong, I finally got to say you do have the information, but the way you diseminate it is a mystery to me.
    Placing the Preferences section at the end of the beyond the basics, is a kinda challenging experience. And then there isn’t enough info on that given.
    While I have been amazed and in awe of the incredible capabilities of After Effects I am at a loss of how to make it function best on my 3 different Mac’s. At times I find that I can create (without crashing) richer material on my single processor G-4 Laptop with a gig and a half of RAM in it, then on my new Mac Pro desktop with 8 processors and 12 GB’s of Ram in it.
    I know your Deke’s friend and as such I will respect that you are here to help. But after taking your brothers tutorials in Flash (a simply amazing instructor), I realized that disseminating information is something that comes easier to some.
    The complexity of After Effects a side. I wish your tutorials 1. started at the beginning (having some 3-D program created material instead of photoshop material confused me and gave me the impression this was a program not compatable with photoshop from the start) 2. Had a natural progression (basic set up of “preferences” (all of the info),then to windows/pallets info, right through to how to save out files ) 3.showed a workflow of a single project from beginning to end. 4.realize that people taking a Basic Class or tutorial is beginning (knows nothing about the soft wear).
    The best thing I could suggest is to have you look at one of Todd’s beginning tutorials and see how he lays everything out in a manor that is concise and informative.
    He tells you what he’s going to teach you. Starting at the beginning!
    Then teaches you just that.
    Then tells you what he taught you.
    As simple as it sounds it is by far the most effective method of instructing I have ever had the privileged of taking.
    Because you are the After Effects guy at ( the most amazing online learning facility in the world!). I am sure I will be sitting through many hundreds of hours of your tutorials over the next few years, and as such I would like to see these improvements.

    No hard feeling Chad, just don’t leave me hanging.

  • Actions in CS4

    Yes, but what about the cloddy menu in Actions?  Have they improved the Actions menu?  Pls tell me they have.  I’ll buy CS4 if they have.

  • You know…

    You know, there are better channels to use to chew me out about my After Effects training. (HINT: Not DEKE’S site about PHOTOSHOP). Show some respect. My web link is below. Feel free to use that to come to MY site, where it’s much more appropriate to speak about how MY training bothers you.

    -Chad Perkins

  • Point taken

    Please find it in your heart to forgive me for this inappropriate post.My attempts to reach you had gone unanswered.This was the first time I saw a chance to add my comment.I guess I got a little overzealous. I apologize.


    ” They thought it would be a disgrace to go forth as a group .

    Each entered the forest at a point that he himself had chosen,
    where it was darkest and there was no path .
    If there is a path it is someone else’s path and you are not

    on the adventure

  • Same Actions menu

    Everything about the palette is the same.

    But they resolved a few action bugs. Like now if you run an action that pastes an image from the Clipboard into a new document, the New dialog box doesn’t hang. Minor but helpful fixes like that.

  • more

    >>Hungry for still more movies?


    I’ve waited so long for that new podcast - I/We need more of them (I’m sure some would sell their soul, I would!).

    I really like your Lynda Videos, but the podcasts are on top of everything else!

    They make my day every time I watch them.

    So keep up doing that great stuff.

  • Edumacation

    Little off topic but I was wondering, if any that is, where Deke got his education from.  I am looking to start a Masters program (personal goal more than anything else) in the NJ, NY area.

    If anyone has any suggestions, or Deke, please let me know.  Ideally, I would like to learn more about how and why programs like these function and not just how to design with them (although I guess they go hand in hand at some level).

    Great job on the Pod Deke!


  • Souls for sale!?

    Love your podcasts - thank god I´m an atheist!


  • Quick Question about OpenGL support….

    First off, great podcasts Deke, I just found them after going through some of your Photoshop One-on-One lessons from

    Quick question though, and I’m pretty sure that it’ll work on most modern video cards, but I want to make sure it’s not going to be the OpenGL specific-type video cards that are the only ones supported, such as the FireGL or QuadroFX video cards, but the standard ones as well (for reference, I own a Gateway laptop with an 8800m GTS video card). I’m pretty sure that Photoshop will support it, but I thought I’d ask just in case…

  • I think every nVidia card

    Supports OpenGL. I haven’t tested the 8800m GTS, but according to the nVidia site, it cottons to OpenGL, so you should be just fine.

    The advantage of the higher end cards is not that they support OpenGL better, but rather that they have higher memory capacities. Which means you’ll be able to open more images simultaneously and access the OpenGL features for all of them. I have one machine where OpenGL shuts down after four images; my MacBook Pro goes as high as ten. After that, you lose the new abilities for the fifth and eleventh images, respectively. To the solution is to close an image and you’re back in business for all open images.

  • That’s what I figured, I was

    That’s what I figured, I was just making sure you didn’t need one of the specialized video cards. Mine has 512mb of video ram, so I would guess that will be good for at least 5-10 pictures. Planning on buying CS4 anyways on Friday, so we’ll see. Thanks Deke!

  • Mac or PC for CS4?

    Okay, I’ve decided to buy the Photoshop CS4 upgrade (can’t wait for the natural rotating while painting!) & it’s also time for a new computer. 

    My question is this:  I’ve always used a PC, but since this computer will be dedicated mainly to my work (no games which were one of the reasons we chose PC back in the day) I can get whatever I like.  (Under $5000 or so.)  Should I stick with PC or make the move to Mac?  I’m used to the PC after using it for years, but so many people tell me that Mac is hugely better, fewer crashes, &c. &c.

    I’m a professional freelance illustrator & use Photoshop extensively, both to tweak scanned paintings & to create fully-digital art.  My files tend to be large & many-layered, & I often have two or more open at any time.  I’ve heard there may actually be speed advantages to the PC for CS4, but it seems most of the digital art folks I know prefer Mac. Is this just a vestige of previous advantages, or is there still a real reason to go Mac? 

    I know you possess the wisdom of the ages + up-to-the-millisecond info on all things Photoshop, so I beg of you, please advise me—what should I get?

    Many thanks,


  • PS CS4 transparency at start up?

    I’ve been playing around with PS Cs4,I was going to start up a new Drawing,When I opened the new document It opened with a Black Background…I thought Oops I accidentally,had “Background Contents” set to Foreground color So I closed it,and started another one…It was set to Transparent,but Opened up as Black in the Preview window,but transparent in the Layers Palette.Did I accidentally change a setting somewhere while exploring CS4? I was just doing a Bert thing,Exploring and Playing….Any help would be appreciated thanks….Lil B


  • Age Old Question

    I know you heard this before, but it’s a personal choice between Mac and PC. The Mac is a stable tested machine that adheres to Apple’s strict code of quality. What this means is that you will get a product that will work out of the box with little fuss. Now with a PC, it’s more of a customizers dream. You can write your own coded programs, tweak the drivers, overclock the processors and much more. Also included is MS XML support which adds some advantages to CS4. I’m not much into the specs and I’m sure someone will follow up with more details.

    Also, most artists don’t want to bother learning how to be a minor PC tech and would rather jump into their work. Mac machines take out the troublesome guess work. If you know how to work in an out of a PC then I see no reason to switch. Up to you.

  • Thanks for the input, androsine!

    My natural lazy inclination is to stick with PC, since it’s what I’m used to—won’t have to re-memorize all those keyboard shortcuts so I can use my limited brainpower to learn new tricks from Deke instead! Also the PC’s cheaper for the speed, at least on paper. 

    As you can guess from the above, I’m definitely not techy, so the customizing factor is minimal (though I do have friends & family who could do some tweaking for me). 

    I’ve been told that Adobe started out affiliated with Apple, thus PS “runs smoother” on a Mac.  Was that true?  Is it still?

    What about the virus issue?  I keep up with updates & run Norton & Spybot regularly, & I won’t be downloading dubious stuff, so is there really still a Mac advantage there? 

    Thanks again,


  • Viruses

    Well, Mac has the strength there because Apple is more of a US product. The majority of spam and viruses are made for PC because of vast availability of PC products around the world. For that reason alone I was tempted to buy a Mac. But if you stay away from unknown websites and never open unwelcomed attachments PC would be fine. If your looking for good computer deals, check and see if the Circuit City near you is closing. My brother in Law picked up high end computers for 1100 bucks. Not bad at all!

  • I’m seeing nothing in this sreenshot

    To explain why the image window is black. You appear to have set the pasteboard to a bright turquoise, and your transparency grid is likewise colorful. But you have an empty layer and no other settings of consequence that I can see.

    You’re using a PC—have you updated your video drivers?

    Have you tried restarting?

    Have you tried launching with Ctrl+Shift+Alt down to rest prefs?

    You were trying a Bert [Monroy, I assume] export and play thing—any specifics on that?

  • Great idea!

    Hadn’t thought about that, but there is one near here.Thanks again!

  • That did it…

    Thank you Deke,

    I used the Ctrl+Shift+Alt,and that seems to have cleared it up….I was almost to the point of reinstalling,The only thing,I could imagine was something I copied and pasted from ilustrator….Yep,Bert Monroy,Deke Taught me the nuts and bolts how,why,and Bert opened my eyes and imagination of what could be done with it…Now Morty has opened the world of illustrator to me….Thank you,again and Happy Holidays….

  • Ummm…. that’s Mordy

    Ummm… that’s Mordy as in “Mordechai” not “Morty” :-) Mordy Golding is his name and Illustrator is most definitely his game.

    Glad to see another Illustrator user here. As someone who teaches Illustrator classes, I agree… Mordy’s Illustrator stuff is hot. Deke’s Illustrator stuff is also hot and we should see a new Illustrator book from Deke before too long that will really “shake things up”... gotta cover that base… (I’m not a witch, Deke!)

    “todah rabah Mordy veDeke”

    Thanks a lot for some great illustrator teaching Mordy and Deke,


    Thomas Benner

    The Art Institute of Austin

  • Photoshop CS4 one-on-0ne

    Hello Deke, I’m back again, this time at page 6 Lesson 1: Open and Oraganize.  I have located the folder called “Lesson Files-PsCS4-1on1.  I opened it to find a “No Items to Display” sign.  My lessons files are in my Desktop Folder, as well as on the desktop!  Your lessons are all there, but I cannot launch them from Bridge, which would be really convenient!  What have I done wrong?

    Thanks, in advance.  Billie

  • My Apologizes

    In my excitement,and rush to get back to my idea,I missed typed…I’m Sorry Mordy…I do enjoy reading his blog Realworld illustrator….Have a great day Lil B

  • InDesign CS4 Videos - Can’t Wait!

    I spend a lot of time on Lynda.Com after a long day of work.  Love the training there, but so many instructors are far too monotone and it tends to put even the most motivated learner to sleep.  However, I never have that problem when it’s you. Counting the days till you do InDesign CS4 as most everything I do design-wise involves a text/layout component.  I know you hear it a lot, but you really do have a special gift for conveying information in an enjoyable way.  Refreshing!  Thanks for all you do.

  • Thanks for your kind comments! But . . .

    I probably won’t be doing a full series on InDesign CS4. It’s just too late in the cycle and I have too much other stuff on my plate.

    That said, two notes: First, I do have a book called Adobe InDesign CS4 One-on-One that includes not one, not two, but four hours of video as well as hundreds of high-quality pages full of top-notch information.

    Second, let’s say I did a short video series on InDesign CS4. What topic would interest you? Last time around (for CS3), I did a series on style sheets. But there are lots of other areas to explore.

  • Can anyone give….?

    Can anyone give me a link to download a full version of photoshop CS4?

  • Copy and paste


    How to transfer or copy and paste the graphic image of photoshop to coreldraw 12 without disturbing the image?

  • download


    You can find it from here

  • I’m impressed!

    You know what you’re talking about!

  • What is a great easy website

    What is a great easy website builder application for designing a small social network site ?

  • customer satisfaction

    Guy.. Excellent.. Amazing.. I will bookmark your blog and take the feeds also… I am satisfied customer satisfaction

  • Its worth an upgrade. Adobe

    Its worth an upgrade. Adobe photoshop keeps evolving and the upgrade only marks the dedication of people out there to make the software better and better.

  • bah… ‘‘worth the upgrade\” ???

    Re: Upgrades and Dedication:

    Sure, its dedication when the upgrades are reasonably priced.

    But Adobe’s upgrades are turning into the prices of a second mortgage or….

    Being tied into the “Sky” [cloud]—where you own nothing and pay through the nose… like forever…

    I reinvent the wheel (upgrade) about every three years now—that way it stays interesting!!!

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